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welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast

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from Australia for science and reason

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hello and welcome to the skeptics own

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podcast episode number 434 the 15th of

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January 2017 Richard Saunders here with

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you from Sydney Australia in the last

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week folks Sydney Australia's had a bit

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of a heat wave and then another one

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followed by a heat wave and humid

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weather good day for staying inside and

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listening to the skeptic zone I had a

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bit of a an interesting experience the

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last week Maynard are reported Correa an

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air conditioner which I helped him take

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to his house had a few problems with it

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being second hand and Maynard and I

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performed surgery on this air

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conditioner took it apart cleaned it out

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it's working as good as new the inside

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of an air conditioner is really

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interesting especially on a stinking hot

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day so a big shout out to Maynard in his

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air-conditioned studio in fact later on

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in this episode I visit may not in his

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air-conditioned studio to find out what

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podcasts may not listen to over the

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Christmas break interesting ones there

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some good scientific ones and some sort

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of an alternative ones really some good

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tips from Maynard coming up later on in

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the show where we discover what's on

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maynard's ipod but before that of course

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we kick off the show with yet another in

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the series of interviews from our

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reporter and president of Australian

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skeptics Iran's again from QED in

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Manchester last here this week main our

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chats to clear clean berg from the Czech

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skeptics the Czech Republic and what a

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beautiful place the Czech Republic is I

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had the great pleasure of visiting the

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Czech Republic as longtime skeptic zones

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fans will remember though about three or

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four years ago a beautiful place Clare

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is going to tell Iran all about the

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upcoming 17th European skeptics Congress

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in Poland and that will be in September

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find out more details coming up with a

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grain of salt with Iran say give talking

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to Claire klingenberg then following

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it's a lesson in psychology from over 20

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years ago skeptic John Foley in the

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early 90s went on national TV here in

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Australia to challenge for psychics from

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a blade in their ability to predict the

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future and it made for an interesting TV

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report but the whole reason I'm going to

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play this old clip to you is for you to

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study to comprehend or not to comprehend

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the thinking processes of the psychics

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and rationalization in their worldview

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it's an interesting lesson in psychology

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something very important that skeptics

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should understand coming up halfway

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through this week's episode and after

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that we have brouhaha from Australia

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science dot TV now this week Casey

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Harrigan looks at what will science

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bring us in 2017 not mystics not to

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psychics not people who think they can

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see into the future but what is on the

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horizon as far as scientists go

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scientific predictions coming up with

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show now a big shout out and a big thank

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you to my friends of the European the

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skeptics podcast ESP I was a guest on

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their show in fact the latest the latest

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episode but i'll put a link in the show

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notes it was a what a joy what a

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to face which was a really tremendous

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homeopathy plus here in Australia which

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people who seem to think homeopathy can

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cure anything are helping to push a

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campaign by the people behind

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next the anti-vaccination movie with the

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andrew wakefield this the campaign is to

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get people to write their stories of

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vaccine damage and so forth in a letter

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to president elect Donald Trump and we

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years is going to bring with Donald

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busy to worry about letters from people

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behind the vax movie yes we're in for an

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interesting time I'm sure well that's

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enough for me at the moment I'm going to

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run downstairs past Henrietta and ward

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sleeping on the freshly vacuumed steps

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and run downstairs see if I've got one

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or two wintergreen mints left which I

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while I enjoy those I hope you enjoy

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this gifting zone

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let's all take this with a grain of salt

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he's around second hello Claire hello

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i'm here with claire klingenberg welcome

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to the skeptics am thank you would you

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tell us who you are yes I am the fern

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liaison for the chicks critics of

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Sisyphus and co-organizer of the chick

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paranormal challenge and one of the

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reasons that we're talking now is to

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hear a little bit about some major plans

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that you have for next year right yes we

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are together the Polish skeptics club we

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are holding the next Congress Europeans

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get this Congress inverts lot in 2017

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September 22nd to 24 wow that's really

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Congress uh well we will have many

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different topics and panels we will talk

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about science and religion we will talk

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about parental investigation about GMOs

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alternative medicine and also we will

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psychology in general other anything

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that you hope to cover in the Congress

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that is us anything's any topics that

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are specific to Europe in general or

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maybe even specific to Eastern Europe

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that might be different or maybe a

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surprise for many people it's exorcisms

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talk about it that's medieval times but

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having a huge research in exorcisms

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that are certified by the Vatican and

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of evangelical pastors doing exorcisms

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as in a way as shows or as miracle

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possible and what is the main concern

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harm not to be on the psychological

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they are possessed by the devil so they

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be growing depression or it can be just

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teen angst for example I talked to a

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that she and she was thinking it she's

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she's looking at porn or she likes porn

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volition because she fault that she was

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see that's that's very disturbing so can

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you tell me a little bit about the

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activities that your organization does

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Congress of course we did a lot of talks

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big talk about 911 is an inside job the

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conspiracy theory we're going to talk

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world or social science world and we

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we give it to a person who has most

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individuals to smolder price so who for

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cancer it's the parents fault and if you

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science only job is to confirm fulk

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chinese medicine that got built adjunct

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very disturbed yeah somehow we made some

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trade deal with China and to show the

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people want to find out more about what

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what check skeptics do and and about the

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Congress way where should they go just

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you can go to our Facebook page the

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Sisyphus skip the chicks chicks cryptic

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stuff Sisyphus or for the Congress he

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hi this is Heidi Robertson from the

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Northern Rivers vaccination supporters

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we are a group of concerned citizens

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dedicated to promoting good science and

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coast of New South Wales this area are

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relaxed lifestyle also has the lowest

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supporters thank you in the mid-1990s a

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member of Australian skeptics in South

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Australia mr. John Foley appeared on

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national television on The Today Tonight

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program to challenge for local psychics

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in their supposed ability to predict the

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future now the TV program followed the

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predictions and sort of gave a score at

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the end that's interesting in itself but

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what I think the real lesson of this

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story is which I'll play for you from

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all those years ago well over 20 years

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ago is the psychological aspect listen

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to the rationalizations in the thinking

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processes of the four so-called psychics

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listen to their logic listen to the way

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they tried to summarize their abilities

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or or the particular point of view on

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what they see is reality a lesson in

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psychology from the early 90s dick the

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future and get it right well that was an

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offer for Adelaide psychics could not

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refuse here's Graham Archer with a

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challenge that began four weeks ago

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alchemy teasing that the tires skidding

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along and that's a very close encounter

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well there's definitely you having a big

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thing about will I move house it's the

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age-old tussle science versus the

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supernatural a test to see if claims by

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those professing psychic powers are fair

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dinkum or buncombe and a few psychics

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that I have talked to they genuinely

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believe it but they are deluded and they

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they go through a self delusion process

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John Foley is a skeptic in fact he's a

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senior member of the Australian skeptics

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Society a group of hardline doubters who

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investigate claims of the paranormal and

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who are prepared to hand over thirty

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thousand dollars to anyone who can prove

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they have psychic powers in America

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there is enough money over there there's

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seven hundred and fifty thousand dollars

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available in America for the same claim

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so all they need to do is prove what

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they say is true and they could be three

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quarters of a million dollars better off

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they certainly could they did that under

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scientific tests with independent

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scrutineers and we're perfectly happy to

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pay the money there's three spiritual

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diseases um one of them is skepticism

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if they knew what we knew and experience

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what we experienced they wouldn't be

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skeptics have you ever been impressed

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have you ever thought gee that wasn't

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bad yes there have been a few the more

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spectacular frauds such as uri geller

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and Doris Stokes they're very clever

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what they do but they are frauds and put

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under test they can't make it work so

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enough talk or Adelaide psychics have

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agreed to put their reputations on the

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line in today tonight's psychic test you

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might have a day where it's it's

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extremely high powered energy is almost

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volcanic coming out of you so it's a day

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when you've got to be careful you don't

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a pure self I mean I used to have a run

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where I constantly blew up the the

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clothes dryer or the washing machine or

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light bulbs you know first is rosemary

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wala a psychic well known in Adelaide

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through her radio chat segments eighty

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percent of what I tell people is going

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to happen most I had hundreds of dreams

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prophetic dreams and flakes plane

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crashes anything you can think around

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the world and that was very eye-opening

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to me to me as well so you you have had

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experiences of being able to predict the

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future yep raylene leach is next she

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claims not only can she foretell the

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future but she has mystical healing

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powers as well nothing actually see

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inside the body like x-ray vision seen

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saw the organs find out what the problem

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is and often refer them on to whoever

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this spirits tell me too well I'm a

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chaos magician sue cavanaugh is another

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Adelaide psychic who's agreed to take

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the test and to attempt to explain what

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she does and how she does it was a child

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I could see spirit objectively that's

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what the physical eyes now I tend to see

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them psychically with my psychic I I

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speak to them I can hear voices it's a

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little bit like telepathy I suppose and

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finally Justine who believes we all have

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the power to see into the future most

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definitely what I've come to realize is

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a lot of people are very sensitive

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psychic is just being sensitive to what

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one is feeling we asked our psychics to

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make for predictions of events that will

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occur within the next four weeks and put

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our skeptic agreed to join the tears

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using his own technique of

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fortune-telling throwing darts at a

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spinning wheel so this is your wheel of

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fortune okay we've got four predictions

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here on each one of the categories that

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you have given the psychics to predict

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but I've introduced the random element

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of an ordinary dark face right so we

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just dropped that on there we'll see

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which one comes up okay well let's see

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what's going to happen in the future the

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first prediction a major human event

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anywhere in the world I feel that some

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signs tail which is the scorpion is gone

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all the way around the back way and he's

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going to stab Clinton in the back and

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caused him a lot of hurt what I believe

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is it's going to be a major derailment

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Barbra Cartman's gonna be sick she is

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about a hundred and sixty those and she

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now I think she's about 95 plus next a

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major event in Australia within four

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weeks the issue of Australia's identity

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will come up again I think there's going

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to need to be a main gentleman behind it

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young enthusiastic somebody that we

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don't really know what I do believe will

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be having Australian soldiers going in

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from the northern part of Australia I

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believe they're already there and I do

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believe that they will be joining forces

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with the US that's a borderline one

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official change in interest rates

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prediction three a major event in South

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Australia what do we go major economic

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project announcements we'll get one of

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those a week well we see how it goes

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okay I think your honor winner with that

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one possible unexplained power blackouts

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two major weather division but of course

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we're already actually having that so i

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would say probably on the lines of flash

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flooding in areas where more burst water

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mains etc and finally for the last

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prediction okay time for a natural

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disaster anywhere in the world fine

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it was like natural disaster was a flash

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and I saw a volcano so it's going to be

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some volcanic eruption actually seen an

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earthquake and I feel it might be in

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Mexico cyclone in the Caribbean well

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sounds bad cyclones always are okay so

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that's a selection of what our psychics

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foretold a few volcanoes an earthquake

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or to a war here or there etc etc stick

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around and you'll find out who fortune

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favors when the psychics meet the

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skeptic yeah I'm compared to state that

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no clairvoyant no psychic no card reader

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tea leaf through the chicken gives the

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diviner nobody's ever been able to

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predict the future I've answered the

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same 5 questions as you people and I'm

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prepared to say that not so much over

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five questions but over a larger number

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perhaps a thousand questions my result

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was the just as accurate as any of yours

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and I don't claim to be psychic you can

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sit there and argue all you like but the

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do they know well that was four weeks

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ago and after the break we'll see just

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how those predictions stacked up today

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skeptic John Foley had thirty thousand

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dollars in his back pocket and a gut

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feeling that it would stay right there

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now remember his bet was that he could

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predict the future as well or better

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than our for Adelaide psychics Graham

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Archer checks how they fared with 55

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billion people on the planet there isn't

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one of them can demonstrate that they

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have psychic ability that's what a lot

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of skeptics are doing they're trying to

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destroy the truth and you're not trying

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to destroy very trying to find it not

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you're trying to destroy it you're

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trying to discredit people are bringing

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the truth out and you'll never kill the

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truth clairvoyance grunting up to South

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Australia's senior skeptic he says

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disraeli to being in each other's

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psychic ability it's all just guesswork

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but these people say his mind is closed

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ever be happy because they have got

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closed minds and they work on a logical

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and you cannot work on a logical on

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supernatural book there's the Oxford

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Dictionary definition of a skeptic and

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it says one who considers that's what I

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do and I'm prepared to accept anything

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you're prepared to do if you put the

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facts in front of me you are still a

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closed mind person you're on a

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scientific plane we're on a supernatural

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we know what we do the supernatural they

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said the natural beam is the sisters

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this is spiritual and you can sit there

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and argue all you like but the big thing

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is we know you don't well I'll argue

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with the fact what do you argue even

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worry about the facts control no you

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don't worry about a fact we're working

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with the facts on the logical plane and

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as I said before in your area 101 make

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two but in the spiritual area one or two

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mate six in other word doesn't work it

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does work but it's on a different level

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the skeptics are so sure that no such

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powers exists that there are offering a

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large reward for anyone who can prove

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otherwise I'm willing to have a go at

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saying well look this is what I believe

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will happen you're not paying me two

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million dollars to announce hauled in

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the heavy three quarters of a million

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and in order to predict all these

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amazing things I mean you haven't got

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any more feeling or intuition than

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anybody else and if you would like to

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put test money or no money we'd be very

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happy to taste you but John don't you

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ever have a gut feeling the sense that

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something

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is about to happen no Joe you're awfully

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smart Tom had something to say about

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that yes into the police use psychics

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the police are psychic or the police

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aside whatever they got feelings are

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better I've got letters from Los Angeles

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all the Australian police forces

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including the federal police that spake

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quite clearly that they do not use

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psychics no I don't know I constantly

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this yes I keep nobody's let's get down

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to the business of who scored on the

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future stakes and who is still waiting

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for something to happen let's start with

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rosemary well she got the local power

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blackout but lost half a mark for saying

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it was unexplained and that was the lot

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for rosemary the bottom line is

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eventually that's the biggest thing

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psychics deal with as you get the

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messages across but when is it exactly

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going to happen I'll make another

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prediction there's going to be a tidal

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00:25:02,530 --> 00:24:57,800
wave when I don't know but there's going

546
00:25:05,230 --> 00:25:02,540
to be a tidal wave well there was a

547
00:25:07,150 --> 00:25:05,240
volcano and sue scored will on that but

548
00:25:09,130 --> 00:25:07,160
she was left wanting in every other

549
00:25:11,500 --> 00:25:09,140
category keep your eyes peeled next

550
00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:11,510
raylene who dipped out in every category

551
00:25:17,170 --> 00:25:14,090
but she's not discouraged this was

552
00:25:19,540 --> 00:25:17,180
supposedly this month you know as well

553
00:25:20,770 --> 00:25:19,550
as I know you can be one second out and

554
00:25:23,980 --> 00:25:20,780
one second could be a month for a year

555
00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:23,990
or even ten years lastly Justine scored

556
00:25:28,270 --> 00:25:25,970
half a mark for the flash floods minus

557
00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:28,280
the water mains that didn't burst I know

558
00:25:31,870 --> 00:25:30,290
that I've seen friends of mine that have

559
00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:31,880
predicted and predicted and eventually

560
00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:33,890
they become spiritually dry because

561
00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:35,210
they're working with an energy that

562
00:25:38,770 --> 00:25:36,650
we're not meant to be working with and

563
00:25:41,050 --> 00:25:38,780
now to our skeptic who had direct hits

564
00:25:43,690 --> 00:25:41,060
with interest rate changes and local

565
00:25:45,850 --> 00:25:43,700
economic news his two points means a

566
00:25:47,620 --> 00:25:45,860
clear victory to the dart and wheel of

567
00:25:49,090 --> 00:25:47,630
fortune combo what we have done here

568
00:25:50,860 --> 00:25:49,100
this morning though is demonstrated

569
00:25:52,510 --> 00:25:50,870
quite clearly that the work that you

570
00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:52,520
people do is nothing more than guesswork

571
00:25:56,980 --> 00:25:54,410
I don't profess to be armed two percent

572
00:25:58,210 --> 00:25:56,990
correct all the time no I don't profess

573
00:25:59,800 --> 00:25:58,220
to be one hundred percent correct but

574
00:26:01,480 --> 00:25:59,810
I'm professing that I am as accurate as

575
00:26:04,180 --> 00:26:01,490
you you are as accurate as Nostradamus

576
00:26:07,120 --> 00:26:04,190
and one last prediction these people

577
00:26:12,639 --> 00:26:07,130
will probably never agree

578
00:26:15,710 --> 00:26:12,649
[Music]

579
00:26:19,269 --> 00:26:15,720
even though that clip was from well over

580
00:26:22,249 --> 00:26:19,279
20 years ago in my experience anyway

581
00:26:23,659 --> 00:26:22,259
many of the so-called psychics and

582
00:26:26,269 --> 00:26:23,669
mediums I have certainly had dealings

583
00:26:28,549 --> 00:26:26,279
with over the last few years well their

584
00:26:31,489 --> 00:26:28,559
reasoning in their rationale and their

585
00:26:47,989 --> 00:26:31,499
thinking processes on very far removed

586
00:26:50,690 --> 00:26:47,999
from what you just heard and now direct

587
00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:50,700
from the cafe at Australia's Science

588
00:26:57,609 --> 00:26:54,890
Channel it's brouhaha with Tanya Meyer

589
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[Music]

590
00:27:04,690 --> 00:27:01,409
so long 2016 now let's take a deep

591
00:27:08,090 --> 00:27:04,700
breath and predict what 2017 will bring

592
00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:08,100
it'll still be hot but not quite as hot

593
00:27:14,060 --> 00:27:11,369
we'll soon know if 2016 is officially

594
00:27:16,639 --> 00:27:14,070
the hottest year on record but 2017

595
00:27:19,489 --> 00:27:16,649
probably won't steal the title since El

596
00:27:21,830 --> 00:27:19,499
Nino is on its way out global

597
00:27:23,269 --> 00:27:21,840
temperatures will remain around 1.2

598
00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:23,279
degrees warmer than the pre-industrial

599
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era so we'll still be working hard on

600
00:27:31,970 --> 00:27:29,249
reducing our carbon emissions will be

601
00:27:36,049 --> 00:27:31,980
healthier as eco vaccine is on its way

602
00:27:37,629 --> 00:27:36,059
polio is set to be eradicated and an HIV

603
00:27:39,919 --> 00:27:37,639
vaccine will be commercially available

604
00:27:42,919 --> 00:27:39,929
but there's still no time for

605
00:27:45,470 --> 00:27:42,929
complacency HIV rates in China are

606
00:27:47,419 --> 00:27:45,480
skyrocketing the next super bug is right

607
00:27:50,659 --> 00:27:47,429
around the corner and our system of

608
00:27:53,269 --> 00:27:50,669
antibiotic use is a mess but we're

609
00:27:57,320 --> 00:27:53,279
predicting 2017 will be a banner year

610
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for global health and last but oh so

611
00:28:03,889 --> 00:28:01,649
definitely not least space 2016 was the

612
00:28:06,139 --> 00:28:03,899
year of the reusable rocket and on the

613
00:28:08,629 --> 00:28:06,149
back of that will see SpaceX delivered

614
00:28:09,130 --> 00:28:08,639
two astronauts to the ISS by the end of

615
00:28:11,710 --> 00:28:09,140
the year

616
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the chinese lunar exploration program

617
00:28:16,120 --> 00:28:14,150
will make a return trip to the moon with

618
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an unmanned craft bringing back around

619
00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:19,130
two kilograms of material to study and

620
00:28:25,300 --> 00:28:22,490
nasa well we have our fingers crossed we

621
00:28:27,910 --> 00:28:25,310
love you NASA check back in with us next

622
00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:27,920
year to see what we got right where we

623
00:28:37,210 --> 00:28:30,770
were way off and what we got wrong just

624
00:28:40,350 --> 00:28:37,220
enough to be annoying for more brouhaha

625
00:28:43,530 --> 00:28:40,360
and Australian science head for ww

626
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Australia science TV

627
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[Music]

628
00:28:59,099 --> 00:28:57,389
I am on it oh yeah Kristen or even tipsy

629
00:29:01,440 --> 00:28:59,109
dicen lo she lifted up the skeptic zone

630
00:29:03,779 --> 00:29:01,450
I'm skeptical in la liga the VINs not a

631
00:29:05,729 --> 00:29:03,789
blog gear up a BF a podcast of reading

632
00:29:08,159 --> 00:29:05,739
and skip sistemas leaks in this drama

633
00:29:09,779 --> 00:29:08,169
central data skips estoy demo or higher

634
00:29:12,029 --> 00:29:09,789
publicize the deeps corner Chiclets and

635
00:29:13,589 --> 00:29:12,039
calendar / activity or link eternity

636
00:29:15,209 --> 00:29:13,599
research it skips this blog in ops at

637
00:29:16,859 --> 00:29:15,219
iridium layer autodesk ateres hefty

638
00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:16,869
performance so stick kingdom of delta

639
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dulce escapes estas hello here's my not

640
00:29:42,350 --> 00:29:39,020
welcome to may not spooky action you

641
00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:42,360
might have think i might have detected

642
00:29:46,820 --> 00:29:44,490
i'm not may not I'm sitting with may nod

643
00:29:48,799 --> 00:29:46,830
in the what would you call this

644
00:29:51,500 --> 00:29:48,809
particular studio me know well this is

645
00:29:53,330 --> 00:29:51,510
the Maynard international studios annex

646
00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:53,340
we have actually made a video here

647
00:29:56,539 --> 00:29:54,570
before which you might be able to find

648
00:29:58,460 --> 00:29:56,549
on the skeptic zone yet this is the

649
00:30:00,350 --> 00:29:58,470
annex this has the photograph of the US

650
00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:00,360
captain cook on the wall big picture

651
00:30:04,549 --> 00:30:02,370
dannii minogue in the corner lost in

652
00:30:07,850 --> 00:30:04,559
space memorabilia all around I like this

653
00:30:10,250 --> 00:30:07,860
I like this studio because of the air

654
00:30:11,419 --> 00:30:10,260
conditioning mmm you know I mean look

655
00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:11,429
and of course spooky action at a

656
00:30:16,940 --> 00:30:14,130
distance named after what Einstein

657
00:30:19,340 --> 00:30:16,950
called you know we're two things swap

658
00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:19,350
out is sub into position or something

659
00:30:23,210 --> 00:30:20,610
like that and when confronted with

660
00:30:25,010 --> 00:30:23,220
quantum theory of course oh the idea of

661
00:30:27,590 --> 00:30:25,020
quantum theory i believe Einstein said

662
00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:27,600
that God does not play dice yes but he

663
00:30:32,780 --> 00:30:30,690
does play Monopoly I have had you can't

664
00:30:35,930 --> 00:30:32,790
beat quite at monopoly and he cheats as

665
00:30:37,940 --> 00:30:35,940
the banker to it reminds me of a cartoon

666
00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:37,950
I saw just the other day on the internet

667
00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:39,690
as you see many things on the internet

668
00:30:44,330 --> 00:30:41,490
it's a waiting room and a vet and the

669
00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:44,340
vet comes out and says mrs. Schrodinger

670
00:30:49,940 --> 00:30:46,410
about your cat I have good news and bad

671
00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:49,950
news and look up the schrödinger's cat

672
00:30:54,919 --> 00:30:52,410
scene from Family Guy it's got a great

673
00:30:57,380 --> 00:30:54,929
punch line to it i also i reckon god

674
00:30:59,570 --> 00:30:57,390
does play cards against humanity about i

675
00:31:01,460 --> 00:30:59,580
reckon he's big with that i've played

676
00:31:03,500 --> 00:31:01,470
once that's quite a funny game have you

677
00:31:05,090 --> 00:31:03,510
seen the one jesus vs santa that one

678
00:31:06,770 --> 00:31:05,100
that came out of christmas time so you

679
00:31:08,630 --> 00:31:06,780
got to get that one yeah i haven't seen

680
00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:08,640
that anyway we're here in the maynard

681
00:31:13,310 --> 00:31:11,850
annex yeah we hear and we who i say

682
00:31:14,690 --> 00:31:13,320
because i don't let you know what I've

683
00:31:16,909 --> 00:31:14,700
been getting up to over the Christmas

684
00:31:18,710 --> 00:31:16,919
break here what are some of the podcasts

685
00:31:20,150 --> 00:31:18,720
Maynard listens to over the Christmas

686
00:31:21,980 --> 00:31:20,160
break that's what we want to know what

687
00:31:24,350 --> 00:31:21,990
well you know I like all you know I'm a

688
00:31:25,909 --> 00:31:24,360
big fan of some of the alternative ones

689
00:31:27,380 --> 00:31:25,919
out there you know you've heard them

690
00:31:30,470 --> 00:31:27,390
before I mentioned a couple times on the

691
00:31:31,970 --> 00:31:30,480
show that's them calling now I've

692
00:31:34,430 --> 00:31:31,980
mentioned them a couple of times on the

693
00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:34,440
show you know I you know I like john

694
00:31:37,549 --> 00:31:36,330
siever i can adam curry getting in there

695
00:31:39,230 --> 00:31:37,559
I like I'm not on board with everything

696
00:31:40,490 --> 00:31:39,240
I say but I like their style of delivery

697
00:31:43,460 --> 00:31:40,500
in the style show they do with no agenda

698
00:31:45,919 --> 00:31:43,470
but over the Christmas break I have been

699
00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:45,929
binge listening to a skeptical podcast I

700
00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:47,970
think you all should tune into if you

701
00:31:51,980 --> 00:31:49,290
listen to the skeptic zone you will

702
00:31:54,530 --> 00:31:51,990
like this it's a little bit long on

703
00:31:57,110 --> 00:31:54,540
detail can be a touch dry but that is

704
00:31:59,750 --> 00:31:57,120
also its appeal exposing shooter

705
00:32:01,790 --> 00:31:59,760
astronomy and it's hosted by Stuart

706
00:32:03,590 --> 00:32:01,800
Robbins now there's over 135 shows

707
00:32:06,230 --> 00:32:03,600
they're going back a couple of years and

708
00:32:08,270 --> 00:32:06,240
what he's done he's gone back and he

709
00:32:10,310 --> 00:32:08,280
looks into various things as the the

710
00:32:14,620 --> 00:32:10,320
legend of the Annunaki from the original

711
00:32:16,790 --> 00:32:14,630
Sumerian texts he looks at near abu

712
00:32:18,350 --> 00:32:16,800
that's that's the mysterious planet

713
00:32:21,860 --> 00:32:18,360
that's the mysterious planet and his day

714
00:32:23,540 --> 00:32:21,870
job is to analyze craters on various

715
00:32:25,070 --> 00:32:23,550
planetary objects and that that's his

716
00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:25,080
day job so what he does is while he's

717
00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:27,810
doing this he's got our Coast to Coast

718
00:32:34,310 --> 00:32:32,130
AM you know red ice radio various

719
00:32:35,660 --> 00:32:34,320
different alternative podcast go in the

720
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:35,670
background if he picks up something he

721
00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:37,890
thinks is blatantly wrong he'll listen

722
00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:40,770
to it again get the grab of it work out

723
00:32:44,180 --> 00:32:42,450
what they're saying and then do a

724
00:32:46,460 --> 00:32:44,190
rebuttal to it he also did a very good

725
00:32:48,260 --> 00:32:46,470
because he works for NASA also did a

726
00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:48,270
very good rebuttal to the few the

727
00:32:52,490 --> 00:32:49,530
conspiracies around the New Horizons

728
00:32:54,020 --> 00:32:52,500
mission to Pluto as well and also I

729
00:32:56,060 --> 00:32:54,030
learned a few things has I'd been stood

730
00:32:57,560 --> 00:32:56,070
in the whole Annunaki thing the the

731
00:33:00,290 --> 00:32:57,570
people who came to earth and apparently

732
00:33:02,660 --> 00:33:00,300
enslaved us to mine gold back in the day

733
00:33:04,490 --> 00:33:02,670
and I was interested in how the whole

734
00:33:06,050 --> 00:33:04,500
thing worked and it seems that I thought

735
00:33:07,940 --> 00:33:06,060
it was a translation mistake but it

736
00:33:09,950 --> 00:33:07,950
seems like the whole thing could be kind

737
00:33:12,470 --> 00:33:09,960
of just almost completely made up

738
00:33:14,030 --> 00:33:12,480
Richard you shocked me Maynard what's

739
00:33:16,460 --> 00:33:14,040
the name of that podcast again it's the

740
00:33:17,690 --> 00:33:16,470
exposing Sciuto astronomy and stewart

741
00:33:19,910 --> 00:33:17,700
Robbins is the host over hundred and

742
00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:19,920
thirty 50 shows there have a Binz listen

743
00:33:23,900 --> 00:33:21,450
to it you can pick their stuff about the

744
00:33:25,850 --> 00:33:23,910
the Apollo moon mission hooks and why he

745
00:33:26,990 --> 00:33:25,860
doesn't think it's a hoax based on solid

746
00:33:29,270 --> 00:33:27,000
theory and there's a few things he

747
00:33:30,650 --> 00:33:29,280
mentioned cuz the whole Van Allen belt

748
00:33:33,750 --> 00:33:30,660
thing I thought was a bigger deal than

749
00:33:36,789 --> 00:33:33,760
it turns out it is

750
00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:36,799
the final claim for this episode is the

751
00:33:45,279 --> 00:33:40,370
infamous c-roc why is there a rock in

752
00:33:48,190 --> 00:33:45,289
photo a s 16 10 7 17 446 that clearly in

753
00:33:51,899 --> 00:33:48,200
some prints shows a large capital letter

754
00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:51,909
see clearly the prop guy got sloppy or

755
00:33:58,120 --> 00:33:54,650
the prop guy wanted to leak that it's

756
00:34:00,820 --> 00:33:58,130
hoax even Richard Hoagland and Mike

757
00:34:02,710 --> 00:34:00,830
Berra have debunked this claim which is

758
00:34:04,779 --> 00:34:02,720
really saying something considering that

759
00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:04,789
Hoagland is among the kings of peridot

760
00:34:10,270 --> 00:34:07,970
Leah and anomaly hunting there are many

761
00:34:12,970 --> 00:34:10,280
many ways to go about showing why this

762
00:34:14,919 --> 00:34:12,980
is a fairly ridiculous claim I'm going

763
00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:14,929
to tell you three and as far as I know

764
00:34:18,639 --> 00:34:16,970
the last one is actually original to me

765
00:34:21,339 --> 00:34:18,649
but I am sure that someone probably

766
00:34:24,490 --> 00:34:21,349
thought of it before now the first way

767
00:34:26,730 --> 00:34:24,500
is going back to the idea of well let's

768
00:34:29,740 --> 00:34:26,740
say this really was done on a soundstage

769
00:34:32,950 --> 00:34:29,750
does anyone actually label individual

770
00:34:35,680 --> 00:34:32,960
props especially the hundreds of rocks

771
00:34:39,940 --> 00:34:35,690
that are in the Apollo scenes I mean

772
00:34:42,339 --> 00:34:39,950
seriously anyone know props especially

773
00:34:45,369 --> 00:34:42,349
similar ones numbering in the dozens to

774
00:34:48,339 --> 00:34:45,379
hundreds like rocks are not labeled for

775
00:34:50,770 --> 00:34:48,349
movie sets the second and the actual

776
00:34:52,690 --> 00:34:50,780
explanation for what happened is that

777
00:34:54,430 --> 00:34:52,700
this is just a hair that got trapped

778
00:34:56,680 --> 00:34:54,440
between the print that someone was

779
00:34:58,780 --> 00:34:56,690
copying and the image device they were

780
00:35:01,450 --> 00:34:58,790
using to copy it if you go back to

781
00:35:05,079 --> 00:35:01,460
earlier generation prints the sea was

782
00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:05,089
not there the third is to look at the

783
00:35:12,490 --> 00:35:08,210
photograph immediately before this a s16

784
00:35:15,609 --> 00:35:12,500
dash 1071 7445 it shows half of the same

785
00:35:19,060 --> 00:35:15,619
scene including the sea rock but the sea

786
00:35:22,240 --> 00:35:19,070
rock is not there it has to be there if

787
00:35:25,570 --> 00:35:22,250
it was in Apollo photo a s 16 10 7 17

788
00:35:29,700 --> 00:35:25,580
446 and a real feature as opposed to a

789
00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:32,640
a few things like that I learned and

790
00:35:37,079 --> 00:35:35,170
also I kind of wondered how in some of

791
00:35:39,300 --> 00:35:37,089
the Apollo photos there's cross

792
00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:39,310
hatchings on the four by five negatives

793
00:35:44,790 --> 00:35:42,130
that were made there when the film was

794
00:35:47,339 --> 00:35:44,800
made and yet when the photos are taken

795
00:35:48,690 --> 00:35:47,349
the photos are in front of the Cross

796
00:35:49,740 --> 00:35:48,700
hatchings and I don't know how that

797
00:35:51,420 --> 00:35:49,750
would happen because the crosshatch

798
00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:51,430
teams are on the film everything should

799
00:35:55,140 --> 00:35:53,770
be behind that and he explained that in

800
00:35:56,520 --> 00:35:55,150
that you'll see that you says that

801
00:35:58,410 --> 00:35:56,530
everyone you see like that it's an

802
00:35:59,849 --> 00:35:58,420
overexposed area like it's a white space

803
00:36:01,680 --> 00:35:59,859
suit or something like that and that's

804
00:36:03,390 --> 00:36:01,690
why it's gone over the cross-hatching so

805
00:36:04,470 --> 00:36:03,400
that's that one solved for me our one

806
00:36:06,089 --> 00:36:04,480
little is years how they did it so

807
00:36:07,950 --> 00:36:06,099
there's a couple of ones to listen to

808
00:36:09,599 --> 00:36:07,960
and if you want to go on to the more

809
00:36:12,380 --> 00:36:09,609
alternative side there's that's a

810
00:36:14,790 --> 00:36:12,390
podcast you can listen to and you know

811
00:36:17,060 --> 00:36:14,800
the high side chats is what I often

812
00:36:19,079 --> 00:36:17,070
listen to we have mentioned before but

813
00:36:21,270 --> 00:36:19,089
there's a couple of streaming radio

814
00:36:22,859 --> 00:36:21,280
networks now that are up and going that

815
00:36:24,450 --> 00:36:22,869
have alternative content some of them

816
00:36:26,579 --> 00:36:24,460
double up on their content but the three

817
00:36:29,460 --> 00:36:26,589
that I listened to there's the inception

818
00:36:31,770 --> 00:36:29,470
radio network that comes out of superior

819
00:36:33,420 --> 00:36:31,780
in Wisconsin and we look that up on the

820
00:36:37,829 --> 00:36:33,430
map and that was right right on the lake

821
00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:37,839
there right next to Duluth was I let's

822
00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:39,970
cross the road from home in town Herman

823
00:36:43,290 --> 00:36:41,050
down you're having towns across the

824
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:43,300
river from it yeah and the population

825
00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:45,010
27,000 we actually had a bit of a deep

826
00:36:48,300 --> 00:36:46,690
dive on superior there but that's the

827
00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:48,310
internet radio network the inception

828
00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:50,650
radio network and that has some pretty

829
00:36:54,780 --> 00:36:52,930
hardcore stuff on it there if you're

830
00:36:56,670 --> 00:36:54,790
looking for some Annunaki talk that

831
00:36:57,870 --> 00:36:56,680
would be one of the places to go to the

832
00:37:00,089 --> 00:36:57,880
other one look quite like wood some

833
00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:00,099
interesting hosts is the PSN public

834
00:37:04,079 --> 00:37:02,410
service network that's also another one

835
00:37:08,099 --> 00:37:04,089
there which is a world worth ago and

836
00:37:10,079 --> 00:37:08,109
also the Dark Matter digital network

837
00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:10,089
that has the midnight in the desert

838
00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:11,770
which is kind of a bit of a wants to be

839
00:37:15,990 --> 00:37:13,210
a bit of a successor to the coast to

840
00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:16,000
coast am and all the other shows on that

841
00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:17,410
Network alike that although the

842
00:37:21,030 --> 00:37:19,210
inception radio network does have a

843
00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:21,040
couple of skeptical shows and has a

844
00:37:25,650 --> 00:37:23,890
mature cocoa now I know skeptics guide

845
00:37:27,540 --> 00:37:25,660
to the universe have come out against me

846
00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:27,550
Geo cocoa the theoretical physicists

847
00:37:31,770 --> 00:37:29,410
from New York but I like him a lot the

848
00:37:33,599 --> 00:37:31,780
cut of his jib unlike the way here he

849
00:37:35,670 --> 00:37:33,609
presents his science communication and

850
00:37:37,410 --> 00:37:35,680
you know he opens the door to their

851
00:37:38,849 --> 00:37:37,420
being vehicles from the other world

852
00:37:40,349 --> 00:37:38,859
opens the door I'm not saying he's on

853
00:37:42,270 --> 00:37:40,359
board with it but he does say it's a

854
00:37:43,500 --> 00:37:42,280
possibility and that's why the skeptics

855
00:37:45,420 --> 00:37:43,510
guide the universe have

856
00:37:48,210 --> 00:37:45,430
pooh poohed him but you know you know me

857
00:37:50,010 --> 00:37:48,220
I'm behind a bit of poo poo you are from

858
00:37:51,870 --> 00:37:50,020
time to time so I find this interesting

859
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:51,880
how things are changing now that more

860
00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:54,010
and more people instead of what we used

861
00:37:58,680 --> 00:37:55,570
to do in the old days is jump into our

862
00:38:00,150 --> 00:37:58,690
car into now AM radio or FM radio to

863
00:38:03,150 --> 00:38:00,160
whatever Network we'd like to listen to

864
00:38:05,340 --> 00:38:03,160
now we tune out devices hook them up to

865
00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:05,350
the car speakers and listen to well

866
00:38:11,310 --> 00:38:09,130
radio from wherever and special

867
00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:11,320
streaming it look despite working in

868
00:38:15,990 --> 00:38:13,690
radio for decades I stopped listening to

869
00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:16,000
radio in the early 2000s pretty much as

870
00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:18,130
soon as the first iphone is available in

871
00:38:22,050 --> 00:38:19,690
Australia that was the end of radio for

872
00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:22,060
me I mean really a tune to some guy

873
00:38:26,460 --> 00:38:23,650
banging on about what the garbage

874
00:38:28,290 --> 00:38:26,470
collectors are doing in town when you

875
00:38:31,620 --> 00:38:28,300
could be listening to you know what's

876
00:38:33,390 --> 00:38:31,630
going on at Pluto absolutely right well

877
00:38:34,770 --> 00:38:33,400
it's a generational thing I mean many

878
00:38:37,770 --> 00:38:34,780
people still just jump into the cars

879
00:38:40,260 --> 00:38:37,780
push a button to hear ya also it's easy

880
00:38:43,140 --> 00:38:40,270
it's easy to do radio but I overseas

881
00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:43,150
listens I must remind them that FM radio

882
00:38:48,890 --> 00:38:46,090
did not happen in australia until i

883
00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:48,900
think the first station was of 1978-79

884
00:38:54,810 --> 00:38:52,930
and it didn't really yeah i'm 22 ser FM

885
00:38:56,490 --> 00:38:54,820
in Sydney was one of the first stations

886
00:38:58,410 --> 00:38:56,500
and the first stations were all pretty

887
00:39:01,170 --> 00:38:58,420
much classical music stations in this

888
00:39:02,970 --> 00:39:01,180
country I I remember listening to an FM

889
00:39:04,860 --> 00:39:02,980
radio station up on the north coast I

890
00:39:06,750 --> 00:39:04,870
kind of immortals called now that was

891
00:39:09,720 --> 00:39:06,760
the late seven it was community you're

892
00:39:10,830 --> 00:39:09,730
absolutely right yeah yeah I mean we

893
00:39:17,490 --> 00:39:10,840
will just look this up hanging about

894
00:39:19,500 --> 00:39:17,500
folks look we've just been checking up

895
00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:19,510
on the on the wiki here because we know

896
00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:21,490
everything on Wikipedia is one hundred

897
00:39:26,970 --> 00:39:24,970
percent correct originally get this FM

898
00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:26,980
broadcasting in Australia did kick off

899
00:39:33,270 --> 00:39:29,770
in 1947 but it didn't catch on I'm a

900
00:39:35,430 --> 00:39:33,280
shutdown in 1961 and in Australia we

901
00:39:37,140 --> 00:39:35,440
used our television band our television

902
00:39:39,270 --> 00:39:37,150
band extended into what would be the FM

903
00:39:42,900 --> 00:39:39,280
band in most other countries and then

904
00:39:45,780 --> 00:39:42,910
that continued until not in 75 when we

905
00:39:47,070 --> 00:39:45,790
got an FM station one or two and but

906
00:39:49,890 --> 00:39:47,080
they didn't really take off until the

907
00:39:51,720 --> 00:39:49,900
ADC so FM radio wasn't a thing until the

908
00:39:54,210 --> 00:39:51,730
80s in Australia so I remember that the

909
00:39:55,650 --> 00:39:54,220
rest of the world I mean FM was big in

910
00:39:56,500 --> 00:39:55,660
other countries at least in the 70s

911
00:39:58,480 --> 00:39:56,510
you're right was

912
00:40:00,160 --> 00:39:58,490
community and and now i remember i think

913
00:40:03,070 --> 00:40:00,170
i remember the radio station i used to

914
00:40:06,250 --> 00:40:03,080
listen to his to NCR FM i think wow is

915
00:40:09,040 --> 00:40:06,260
where was that out of lismore wow yeah

916
00:40:11,380 --> 00:40:09,050
yeah because I also work on to nur FM in

917
00:40:12,730 --> 00:40:11,390
Newcastle as a little nipper that's

918
00:40:14,830 --> 00:40:12,740
right had my first shows I to show

919
00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:14,840
they're called radio stupid which which

920
00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:16,850
probably held back the expansion the FM

921
00:40:19,450 --> 00:40:18,410
band a couple of years I'd say they said

922
00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:19,460
this is the kind of thing again I have

923
00:40:23,170 --> 00:40:21,290
on it probably held back the expansion

924
00:40:27,640 --> 00:40:23,180
of the universe man couple years mind

925
00:40:30,580 --> 00:40:27,650
you I had a good theme right survey the

926
00:40:36,310 --> 00:40:30,590
most dreadful music is yet to come in

927
00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:41,290
yeah well that's a few ideas inception

928
00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:43,370
radio network public service network the

929
00:40:46,900 --> 00:40:44,690
Dark Matter digital network there's

930
00:40:48,730 --> 00:40:46,910
three for your alternative stuff or have

931
00:40:50,680 --> 00:40:48,740
a listen to exposing chido astronomy

932
00:40:51,940 --> 00:40:50,690
with Stuart Robins I've ever bins listen

933
00:40:53,770 --> 00:40:51,950
to that because he really covers a lot

934
00:40:57,280 --> 00:40:53,780
of topics and drop the guyline say

935
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Allahu it Thank You me none thank you

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00:43:49,220 --> 00:43:46,680
know what it is there must be a this

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suburbs turn for the flight path I think

996
00:43:53,660 --> 00:43:51,510
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00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:21,910
hello Richard Saunders hear hear that

1022
00:45:32,720 --> 00:45:29,050
noise folks that is the sound of a 747

1023
00:45:36,750 --> 00:45:32,730
or an a380 or I don't know what that

1024
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:36,760
regularly flies over this house every

1025
00:45:41,640 --> 00:45:38,410
time I seem to want to record the

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00:45:52,859 --> 00:45:41,650
skeptic zone it's a wonder the show

1027
00:45:58,440 --> 00:45:52,869
comes out at all where was I so two

1028
00:45:59,760 --> 00:45:58,450
minutes later another one it's

1029
00:46:02,010 --> 00:45:59,770
ridiculous it's almost like there's

1030
00:46:04,589 --> 00:46:02,020
somebody with the spy camera in this

1031
00:46:06,210 --> 00:46:04,599
studio at the airport make it all look

1032
00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:06,220
look Saunders is doing another podcast

1033
00:46:15,240 --> 00:46:08,890
ok take off runway three off you go

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00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:15,250
quick and speaking of maynard don't

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forget to visit maynard com no day you

1036
00:46:31,069 --> 00:46:24,160
and I'm not again ok so so it's just

1037
00:46:35,880 --> 00:46:33,690
at six I must look at this there's a

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00:46:38,790 --> 00:46:35,890
website called the flight tracker 24 of

1039
00:46:43,579 --> 00:46:38,800
light radar shows you there must be

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should get out and wave with the people